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May 1997

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-> Question about James Bay Cree Cultural Center(from Russia)
     by (suppressed)@aol.com
-> Books on Cree Culture & Symbols
     by (suppressed)@worldchat.com
-> Genealogy
     by "Deborah Halstead" <(suppressed)@htonline.com>
-> Re: Genealogy
     by (suppressed)@wsii.com (Peter  s Gadoury)
-> Re: Genealogy
     by (suppressed)@aol.com
-> information
     by Dallas W Sun Child <(suppressed)@selway.umt.edu>
-> Re: information
     by (suppressed)@worldchat.com
-> Re: Genealogy
     by <(suppressed)@ccinet.ab.ca>
-> Re: information
     by Stephanie Fitzgerald <(suppressed)@ucla.edu>
-> Cree Software (was: information)
     by Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@achilles.net>
-> Re: information on Cree teaching software
     by "Peter Bakker" <(suppressed)@hum.aau.dk>
-> National Aboriginal Day
     by (suppressed)@fournier-art.com
-> Cree Ancestory
     by (suppressed)@aol.com
-> Re: Genealogy
     by <(suppressed)@ccinet.ab.ca>
-> post
     by (suppressed)@wsii.com (Peter  s Gadoury)
-> Re: post
     by "Peter Bakker" <(suppressed)@hum.aau.dk>
-> Cree Iserhoff Family
     by Sheila Macauley <(suppressed)@tiac.net>
-> put Cree placenames in the map (fwd)
     by Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@achilles.net>
-> waciye (fwd)
     by FBEIHOLZ <(suppressed)@cris.com>
-> glad to help
     by (suppressed)@enter.net


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Date: 1 May 1997 07:59:03 -0400
From: (suppressed)@aol.com
Subject: Question about James Bay Cree Cultural Center(from Russia)

Greetings,

I am posting this for another that does not have access to this list (but I
would also like it for myself) so if there is  anyone that has the
information requested or could possibly lead in the right direction, it would
be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance....
Moon (Audrey)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Forwarded Message: 
Subj:	question about James Bay Cree Cultural Center(from Russia)
Date:	97-04-29 14:22:18 EDT
From:	(suppressed)@rsuh.ru (Angus)

Hello, my brothers by spirit!
 I need your advise in following matter :
 Do you know email address of James Bay Cree Cultural Center?
 And another one question - are there any other Crees on the Hudson Bay
 banks? (If so - send me their email addresses).

 With unimaginable respect,
 Angus.


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Date: 1 May 1997 20:54:07 -0400
From: (suppressed)@worldchat.com
Subject: Books on Cree Culture & Symbols

Tansi,
I have been trying to find reference books on Cree culture in Toronto
without luck.  I am trying to research Cree symbols and meanings with
regards to traditional clothing.  If anyone knows of a good book, web
site, etc. please let me know.  Thanks.
- --


Angela DeMontigny, Spirit Ware
Six Nations of the Grand River

RR #6  Hagersville
Ontario, Canada
NOA 1H0

ware@worldchat.com
phone: (519)445-2438
fax: (519)445-2479

 ****************************************************
  Take a look at  the Spirit Ware Native clothing 
  catalogue Via Internet Database: 
  http://www.atiin.com/spiritware/
  Also coming to a theatre near you...
  Six Nations Art And Graphics Organization
  ***************************************************


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Date: 6 May 1997 20:16:02 -0400
From: "Deborah Halstead" <(suppressed)@htonline.com>
Subject: Genealogy

I have been told that I am a "Cree Indian" desendant. I have been trying to
find a place to search for this information. I hope you could help me. 
Thank You,	

	Debbie


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Date: 7 May 1997 08:45:58 -0400
From: (suppressed)@wsii.com (Peter  s Gadoury)
Subject: Re: Genealogy

Debbie i to have been told that i am a cree decendant.I have posted a few
things and results haven't been great but don't give up hope.There is
something known as the parish register in Ontario thats supposed to be
helpful,but i haven't had time to check it out.GOOD LUCK        Thom


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Date: 7 May 1997 09:19:53 -0400
From: (suppressed)@aol.com
Subject: Re: Genealogy

dear debbie;

I will pass along your name, etc., to the gentleman that works with my friend
who is seeking Cree information.  Sorry, it does sound cryptic but it really
is.  We're just searching for history (just is a very small word isn't it?).
 We'll see what we can do in this area.  It's always nice to meet someone
new!

Regards.

Terry and Ken


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Date: 8 May 1997 01:50:44 -0400
From: Dallas W Sun Child <(suppressed)@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: information

Tahn -si my Red brothers and sisters!!!!

my name is Dallas Sun Child, a Chippewa Cree from Rocky Boy, Montana.  I
am a computer science major at the University of Montana.  Most of the
discussion in this group has originated from Canada, and that brings me to
my request for info.  I am looking for some type of language preservation
software for the Cree language, if any exist.  Any help would be  greatly
appreciated.  Ah - ho!

		Dallas Sun Child


"In the end, we will remember not the
  words of our enemies, but the silence
  of our friends."  -Martin Luther King, Jr.


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Date: 8 May 1997 14:39:19 -0400
From: (suppressed)@worldchat.com
Subject: Re: information

Dallas W Sun Child wrote:
> 
> Tahn -si my Red brothers and sisters!!!!
> 
> my name is Dallas Sun Child, a Chippewa Cree from Rocky Boy, Montana.  I
> am a computer science major at the University of Montana.  Most of the
> discussion in this group has originated from Canada, and that brings me to
> my request for info.  I am looking for some type of language preservation
> software for the Cree language, if any exist.  Any help would be  greatly
> appreciated.  Ah - ho!
> 
>                 Dallas Sun Child
> 
> "In the end, we will remember not the
>   words of our enemies, but the silence
>   of our friends."  -Martin Luther King, Jr.
hi there sun child, 
there is no language software around here 
but , love to work on it with you
i have worked on Mohawk software for children
thanks see yeah
john lee


- --


Angela DeMontigny, Spirit Ware
Six Nations of the Grand River

RR #6  Hagersville
Ontario, Canada
NOA 1H0

ware@worldchat.com
phone: (519)445-2438
fax: (519)445-2479

 ****************************************************
  Take a look at  the Spirit Ware Native clothing 
  catalogue Via Internet Database: 
  http://www.atiin.com/spiritware/
  Also coming to a theatre near you...
  Six Nations Art And Graphics Organization
  ***************************************************


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Date: 8 May 1997 19:32:36 -0400
From: <(suppressed)@ccinet.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Genealogy

Dear Deborah,
The first thing you must do is start a pedigree chart on your self with
your name first , then your mother and fathers ,their place of birth etc.
When you know that send for your unaltered birth certificate. Then go to a
library and see about acquiring census  records that are on microfiche for
the area of the year that they were born. Also any Latter Day Saints Church
will guide you.The LDS have pedigree charts that help you put this info in
order. Buy a 'Tracing your Ancestors and Genealogy books. You have to do
the digging . What were your ancestors names, perhaps when you put that out
on the internet people will respond. Our Provincial Archives in Ottawa have
most of what your asking about. Write them and they will give you info to
look at to get you started in your search. Look for stuff in 'Indian
Affairs'. Good Luck.Start asking family why they say you may have Cree
blood be sure to write  down what they tell you  as it all comes in handy
when you start your searching.
 

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> From: Deborah Halstead <(suppressed)@htonline.com>
> To: cree@arpp.carleton.ca
> Subject: Genealogy
> Date: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 8:13 PM
> 
> I have been told that I am a "Cree Indian" desendant. I have been trying
to
> find a place to search for this information. I hope you could help me. 
> Thank You,	
> 
> 	Debbie
>


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Date: 8 May 1997 21:38:42 -0400
From: Stephanie Fitzgerald <(suppressed)@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: information

I am a Cree student at UCLA and am looking for Cree language material on
software also---hopefully someone out there has some leads since there are
two of us looking!!

Stephanie

At 08:49 PM 5/6/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Tahn -si my Red brothers and sisters!!!!
>
>my name is Dallas Sun Child, a Chippewa Cree from Rocky Boy, Montana.  I
>am a computer science major at the University of Montana.  Most of the
>discussion in this group has originated from Canada, and that brings me to
>my request for info.  I am looking for some type of language preservation
>software for the Cree language, if any exist.  Any help would be  greatly
>appreciated.  Ah - ho!
>
>		Dallas Sun Child
>
>
>
>
>"In the end, we will remember not the
>  words of our enemies, but the silence
>  of our friends."  -Martin Luther King, Jr.
>
>
>


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Date: 9 May 1997 03:41:23 -0400
From: Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@achilles.net>
Subject: Cree Software (was: information)

At 8:49 PM -0600 5/6/97, Dallas W Sun Child wrote:
>I am a computer science major at the University of Montana.  Most of the
>discussion in this group has originated from Canada, and that brings me to
>my request for info.  I am looking for some type of language preservation
>software for the Cree language, if any exist.

I've see a simple Cree word processor for the Macintosh that was produced
in Ontario. A fellow I knew at the Assembly of First Nations office in
Ottawa had a copy. I think the phone number there is (613)241-6789.

One of my (very) long term project ambitions is to work on producing
software in north american languages. The Macintosh systems support
probably close to 100 languages (including some of the more complicated
character sets like the Chinese), but no support for aboriginal languages -
yet. Implementing support for the syllabics should not be technically
difficult - it's a matter of people resources.

However, because of the relativly small market, the big computer companies
are not prepared to spend the time/money to do this work.

I'd like to know what projects are currently going on for implementing
aboriginal languages in computer software and operating systems.

If there are others out there who would be interested in working on a
project to help Apple implement the syllabics in the Macintosh system,
please let me know. I don't have the resources (language-skill, time) to do
it on my own, but could certainly coordinate a project if there were others
involved.

Most needed for the project would be people to translate the computer
commands and terminology into Cree and other languages. It would also need
a few computer geeks (that's a compliment, not a put down - I'm one myself
:-)  as well as a font creator.

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grant@achilles.net  http://arpp.carleton.ca/  O-  <*>
 To find out about the Cree mailing list send a message to
 cree@arpp.carleton.ca with the subject set to the word: help
http://arpp.carleton.ca/cree/  ki'htwa'm ka-wa'pamitina'wa'w


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Date: 9 May 1997 09:27:06 -0400
From: "Peter Bakker" <(suppressed)@hum.aau.dk>
Subject: Re: information on Cree teaching software

People in Saskatchewan developed some computer games to teach Cree. A 
description can be found in Terry Klokeid & Solomon Ratt - using 
computer adventures to teach Cree. In: Papers of the 20th Algonquian 
Conference. Ottawa 1989: Carleton University, pp. 161-178. I could send 
 a photocopyif you don't have access to it. The designers were then 
working for the Saskatchewn Indian Federated College. Address:

SIFC
University of Regina
Regina, Saskatchewan
S4S 0A2
Canada.

Theer is also a Cree dictionary based on the language spoken in Rocky 
Boy:
Edna Martin Cloud - North American Indian Cree dictionary. 
Rolla, ND, 1983. 
The spelling is based on English and therefore not recommended to 
language learners in my opinion.

Peter Bakker


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Date: 9 May 1997 12:26:48 -0400
From: (suppressed)@fournier-art.com
Subject: National Aboriginal Day

This email is to let the Cree Mailing list know about the National
Aboriginal Day Web Site. Our site is dedicated to the individuals and
organizations that are planning celebrations for National Aboriginal Day
on June 21, 1997. The server is located in British Columbia with an
emphasis on BC events, but there is a page for events from other
provinces, and if I get enough response, I will expand the site's scope
and focus. So if you have news of any celebrations planned, please send
them through the Aboriginal Day site's email form, and I will add them
to the site. 
June 21 is National Aboriginal Day in Canada - this is a day to
celebrate our unique cultures and to demonstrate to Canada the heritage
she inherited from the Aboriginal Peoples.
The site (set your browser to load images) is located at
http://www.aboriginalday.com

Sincerely,
Norman Fournier
norman@fournier-art.com
http://www.aboriginalday.com


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Date: 10 May 1997 23:34:22 -0400
From: (suppressed)@aol.com
Subject: Cree Ancestory

Greetings,
This is in reference to tracing the Cree Ancestory of my childrens' 
g-great-grandmother, Elmire Chartrand Dore' married to Pierre Dore' 

They had many children together and it is said that Pierre may have taken the
life of a couple of them, one accidently getting in the way of his throwing a
chair. 
(Seems he had quite a temper!) 

Elmires' maiden name was Chartrand and she was Cree.

There is/was a place called Chartrand Corners located in Sudbury, Canada
which may have been founded by one of her family members named A.D.
Chartrand.  At one time in the 1970's ? the population was approximately 44.

Pierre Dore'  was an orphan, (Irish or Scottish) arrived in Canada via boat
along with many other orphans from England ? and was adopted by a French
family.  As an adult he was a Veterinarin and possibly a Land Surveyor.  It
is said that he was thrown out of Canada for reasons yet unknown ~

If anyone has any information on the above it would be greatly appreciated ~
Thanks,
Audrey     Mooncloud@aol.com


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Date: 13 May 1997 09:11:27 -0400
From: <(suppressed)@ccinet.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Genealogy


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> From: colosimoemblau@ccinet.ab.ca
> To: cree@arpp.carleton.ca
> Subject: Re: Genealogy
> Date: Thursday, May 08, 1997 5:16 PM
> 
> Dear Deborah,
> The first thing you must do is start a pedigree chart on your self with
> your name first , then your mother and fathers ,their place of birth etc.
> When you know that send for your unaltered birth certificate. Then go to
a
> library and see about acquiring census  records that are on microfiche
for
> the area of the year that they were born. Also any Latter Day Saints
Church
> will guide you.The LDS have pedigree charts that help you put this info
in
> order. Buy a 'Tracing your Ancestors and Genealogy books. You have to do
> the digging . What were your ancestors names, perhaps when you put that
out
> on the internet people will respond. Our Provincial Archives in Ottawa
have
> most of what your asking about. Write them and they will give you info to
> look at to get you started in your search. Look for stuff in 'Indian
> Affairs'. Good Luck.Start asking family why they say you may have Cree
> blood be sure to write  down what they tell you  as it all comes in handy
> when you start your searching.
>  
> 
> ----------
> > From: Deborah Halstead <(suppressed)@htonline.com>
> > To: cree@arpp.carleton.ca
> > Subject: Genealogy
> > Date: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 8:13 PM
> > 
> > I have been told that I am a "Cree Indian" desendant. I have been
trying
> to
> > find a place to search for this information. I hope you could help me. 
> > Thank You,	
> > 
> > 	Debbie
> > 
>


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Date: 21 May 1997 18:48:54 -0400
From: (suppressed)@wsii.com (Peter  s Gadoury)
Subject: post

Does anyone know any Gadoury's whom are Cree in the Quebec region of Canada.
Also if so what band of Cree are they?


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Date: 22 May 1997 06:07:59 -0400
From: "Peter Bakker" <(suppressed)@hum.aau.dk>
Subject: Re: post

> Date:          Wed, 21 May 1997 18:44:33 -0400
> From:          ram@wsii.com (Peter  s Gadoury)
> Subject:       post
> To:            cree@arpp.carleton.ca
> Reply-to:      cree@arpp.carleton.ca

> Does anyone know any Gadoury's whom are Cree in the Quebec region of Canada.
> Also if so what band of Cree are they?
> 
Gadoury is a French name. It may therefore useful to look at:

Sprague, D.N. & R.P. Frye. 1983. The genealogy of the first Metis 
Nation. The development and dispersal of the Red River Settlement 
1820-1900. Winnipeg: Pemmican Publications, 1983. 

There is a recent similar book by a women called Morin (I forgot her 
first name). This is also consultable as a computer file in the library 
of the Glenbow Institute in Calgary, Alberta. 

Both books should make it possible to track down descendants of the 
first 'Gadoury' until the beginning of the century, and for the more 
recent data there are other sources, not in the least oral history. 

Peter Bakker


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Date: 27 May 1997 16:52:11 -0400
From: Sheila Macauley <(suppressed)@tiac.net>
Subject: Cree Iserhoff Family

I have been doing research for an aunt for the past 10 years who was
always told she had Indian ancestry.  Her great-grandmother was
ELIZABETH ISERHOFF, b. cir. 1810/1811, in the “Pays Haut,” Quebec. 

I have discovered through research that Elizabeth’s father was JEAN
BAPTISTE LEOPOLD ISERHOFF, b. cir. 1790 in Quebec. Jean Baptiste served
as a clerk in the North West Fur Company  and took as a wife, a Cree
woman, name unknown.  Jean Baptiste and his Cree wife had two known
children, Elizabeth, b. cir 1810/1811 and a son Jean Baptiste Jr., b.
1814. These two children were brought to Berthier, Quebec and baptized
at Ste. Genivieve de Berthier in 1820 and 1822. 

When Elizabeth was baptized in 1822 at the age of 11 years, her father
is listed as “the late (deceased) JEAN BAPTISTE LEOPOLD ISERHOFF,
ex-clerk of the Society of the North West,” and her mother is listed as
a savage. The son, Jean Baptiste Jr., died according to the records of
Ste. Genivieve de Berthier, in 1835 at the age of 21.

Elizabeth and her brother were raised in Berthier by GUSTAVE ISERHOFF,
the father of Jean Baptiste Leopold. GUSTAVE ISERHOFF was a German
Hessian soldier and surgeon who fought for the British in the American
Revolutionary war.

JEAN BAPTISTE LEOPOLD ISERHOFF and his Cree wife had other children
besides Elizabeth and Jean Jr. It is believed they might have had 3-4
other sons. There are many Cree in Canada today with the ISERHOFF name.
I have been able to contact one Iserhoff descendant who was able to give
me more information on some family members who were raised as Cree in
the Mistassini and Waswanipi areas of Quebec. According to his family
tradition, he thought the first Iserhoff was a shipwrecked Russian
sailor. This is not true as I have documented proof that the first
ISERHOFF to Canada was GUSTAVE ISERHOFF the Hessian soldier. 

I would like to connect with other family descendants who are interested
in genealogy and compile more information for a family history on this
interesting German-Cree family. 

Sheila Macauley
Concord, MA
macauley@tiac.net


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Date: 31 May 1997 12:09:13 -0400
From: Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@achilles.net>
Subject: put Cree placenames in the map (fwd)

I received this request for help, but don't have the information they are
seeking. Can anyone on this mailing list help these people with their
project? If so, please contact them at their address (not mine). Thanks.

- --- begin forwarded text
From: (suppressed)@redestb.es (Luistxo ta Marije)
Subject: put Cree placenames in the map

Hello, Grant
I have found your address surfing throught the net.
Let me introduce myself: my name is Luistxo Fernandez. Me and my wife
Marije are developing a website dedicated to minority and native languages,
but focusing on one field: placenames, toponymy.
Languages and place names from little nations, native cultures and minority
languages almost never appear in the maps. Geography ignores us.
Our site, GeoNative, is a bilingual amateur site (basque/english) devoted
to language minorities, native cultures and little nations. We provide
listings of place names for several native and minority languages: from
Breton to Uzbek, from Maori to Navajo. This is our URL:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9479/

Your study subject is Cree
We would like to know if a list of placenames can be arranged with Cree
names, or other native communities like that.

Place names are listed in tables this way (some Navajo examples):
Map name (or majority language) / minority language name
Acoma   Haak'oh
Albuquerque     Bee'eldiildahsinil
Canyon de Chelly        Tseyi'
Flagstaff       Kin[l]ani
Gallup  Na'nizhoozhi
...

Check the native american tables at:
        http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9479/usa.html
And also, specially, the Inuit names of Canada at:
        http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9479/inuit.html

Can you help is regarding these issues?
Can you provide us some hints or contacts?

You are invited to visit GeoNative.
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Luistxo

* Luistxo Fernandez * Marije Manterola-----------------------------
txoko@redestb.es  *  geonative@geocities.com
* GeoNative * http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9479
Hizkuntza gutxiagotuak mapetan - Put minority languages on the map!
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maite ditut maite gure bazterrak lanbroak izkutatzen dizkidanean
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Date: 31 May 1997 20:36:14 -0400
From: FBEIHOLZ <(suppressed)@cris.com>
Subject: waciye (fwd)

waciye,
	My name is Fred Beihold, white american (misimukamin). I live in
northeastern Indiana in the U.S. near the St. Marys, St. Joseph and Maumee
Rivers. I am 43 and work as an engineering assistant. Since teenage I have
been interested in native americans, starting with the Miami-Illinois
language group that lived here in the 1700's. I read everything I
could find and started collecting every scrap of their language I
could find. 
"Where are the sturgeon that used to swim up the St. Marys River
(sturgeon creek)?", I would ask friends and relatives. Nobody knew and
nobody cared. Later I learned that the central algonquians were described
based on one arboriginal researcher as follows:

Central Algonquian Tribes
1. Kickapoo-Sauk-Fox 
2. Miami-Illinois
3. Shawnee
4. Menominee
5. Potawatomi
6. Ojibway-Chippewa-Odawa
7. Cree

For example, "duck" sounds something like "sisip" in some of these
languages. Miami died out as a living language sometime before the 1970's, 
so why Cree? More than any of these tribes, the Cree,
Potawatomies, and Ojibways probably have more speakers that are living
on original land than any other group of indians in North America. I
started collecting bibliographies and information on these languages until
finding out about syllabics. Right away I knew I had to learn one of the
syllabic languages. Finally, I got hold of a dictionary, grammar and
source of written material for a specific dialect (more or less): The Cree
School Board's 15,000 word dictionary in syllabic, Ellis's grammar (I
rewrite it into syllabic as I use it), and _Nation_ published in Montreal.
Another very usful resource is John Nichols' _Algonquian and Iroquoian
Linguistics_ from the U. of Manitoba. Also it's possible to pick up
CBC North, sometimes, on 9625 KHz. This means I can finally get started
learning southern Eastern James Bay Cree, and plan to make progress
towards that goal this summer (1997).
	Working in technology I am very interested in how the two relate
to each other, language and technology. By working to bring the world
closer together through technology, I also hope that the individuality of 
particular cultures is preserved, especially those of the Central
Algonquians.
	
				X   X

			    XXXXX   XXXXX
       			        X   X
       			        X   X
       			        X   X
       			        X   X

					
						Until later,
						Fred


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Date: 31 May 1997 21:37:28 -0400
From: (suppressed)@enter.net
Subject: glad to help

My name is Louise Papatens Brown. I am full blood
Algonquian Cree from Northern Quebec. I speak the
Cree and Algonquian Lanquage. My Father was a trapper
and I grew up in the bush. My cousin is Billy Diamond,
former Grand Chief of all the Cree in Quebec. My
Mother's last name is Diamond, and her reserve and
band is the Waswanipi band. My Father's reserve is 
Lac Simone, an Algonquian reserve in Louvricourt , Quebec.
I am registered with them. Feel free to contact me 
with Cree or Algonquian related questions. Our homepage
is http://www.enter.net/~lcb/    email lcb@enter.net


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