List-Header Digest Archive: August 1997

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Contents:

-> List Header Internet-Draft Status
     by Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@achilles.net>
-> Re: Modifications to list-header draft
     by Jacob Palme <(suppressed)@dsv.su.se>
-> Re: Modifications to list-header draft
     by Noritoshi Demizu <(suppressed)@csl.sony.co.jp>
-> Re: Modifications to list-header draft
     by "Joshua D. Baer" <(suppressed)@skyweyr.com>
-> Re: Modifications to list-header draft
     by Noritoshi Demizu <(suppressed)@csl.sony.co.jp>


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Date: 1 Aug 1997 00:11:04 -0400
From: Grant Neufeld <(suppressed)@achilles.net>
Subject: List Header Internet-Draft Status

Barring any change in circumstance between now and then, the List Header
Internet-Draft should be put forward for Last Call in the weeks following
the IETF meeting (August 11-15).

If all proceeds well, we should move to RFC status within a couple months,
or so.

Keep your fingers crossed (and your 'i's dotted ;-)

The final format of the draft is at:

http://arpp.carleton.ca/listspec/ietf/draft-baer-listspec-01.txt

Please let me know if you spot any problems with it (whether
principal,structural, grammatical, or whatever).

Thanks to all for your contributions and support!


(now I suppose we should get on to the harder stuff - listspec MIME part,
common list syntax, etc.)

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Date: 17 Aug 1997 05:43:21 -0400
From: Jacob Palme <(suppressed)@dsv.su.se>
Subject: Re: Modifications to list-header draft

At 10:55 -0400 97-07-22, Grant Neufeld wrote:
> At 10:16 AM -0400 7/22/1997, Rob Chandhok wrote:
> >I like the changes that Grant just made - however, I have a request if you
> >are making changes.  How about adding the "List-Address" field as something
> >to identify the mailing list as uniquely as possible?
>
> List-Address has bee pretty controversial here. I do favor eventually
> coming up with some sort of List-ID.

There is an IETF working group developing a standard for something
called URN = Uniform Resource Name. URN-s are meant to be names of
Internet resources which can stay the same, even though the resource
changes location. For a mailing list, for example, its e-mail
address may change if it is moved to a new listserver, but the
URN will stay the same.

If the list-header group wants to develop a way of naming mailing lists,
so that this list-name will stay the same, perhaps these list names
should be an application of URN? URN is meant to allow many different
naming schemes to be useful within URN!

Here is an extract from the IETF charter for the URN working group:

Uniform Resource Names (urn)
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 Charter

 Current status: active working group

 Chair(s):
     Leslie Daigle <(suppressed)@bunyip.com>
     John Curran <(suppressed)@bbn.com>

 Applications Area Director(s):
     Keith Moore  <(suppressed)@cs.utk.edu>
     Harald Alvestrand  <(suppressed)@uninett.no>

 Area Advisor
     Harald Alvestrand  <(suppressed)@uninett.no>

 Mailing lists:
     General Discussion:urn-ietf@bunyip.com
     To Subscribe:      majordomo@bunyip.com
         In Body:       In body of message: subscribe urn-ietf
     Archive:          
ftp://ftp.bunyip.com/pub/mailing-lists/urn-ietf.archive

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Jacob Palme <(suppressed)@dsv.su.se> (Stockholm University and KTH)
for more info see URL: http://www.dsv.su.se/~jpalme


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Date: 19 Aug 1997 05:19:40 -0400
From: Noritoshi Demizu <(suppressed)@csl.sony.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Modifications to list-header draft

> >I like the changes that Grant just made - however, I have a request if you
> >are making changes.  How about adding the "List-Address" field as something
> >to identify the mailing list as uniquely as possible?
>
> List-Address has bee pretty controversial here. I do favor eventually
> coming up with some sort of List-ID.

I think it would be useful to have a standard header to hold a mailing
list name and a sequence number such as:

	List-Sequence: <list:abc@def.ghi:1023>

Today many mailing lists add sequence numbers, sometimes with mailing
list names, into the beggining of a subject field or into a private
header such as "X-Seqno".  For instance,
	e.g. 1) Subject: (IPng 4340) ICMP Echo
	     2) X-Seqno: 2330

If we could have a standard header to add them, they could be utilized
effectively.

Regards,
Noritoshi Demizu


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Date: 19 Aug 1997 10:00:52 -0400
From: "Joshua D. Baer" <(suppressed)@skyweyr.com>
Subject: Re: Modifications to list-header draft

At 5:14 AM -0400 8/19/97, Noritoshi Demizu wrote:


> > >I like the changes that Grant just made - however, I have a request if
you
> > >are making changes.  How about adding the "List-Address" field as
>something
> > >to identify the mailing list as uniquely as possible?
> >
> > List-Address has bee pretty controversial here. I do favor eventually
> > coming up with some sort of List-ID.
>
> I think it would be useful to have a standard header to hold a mailing
> list name and a sequence number such as:
>
> 	List-Sequence: <list:abc@def.ghi:1023>
>
> Today many mailing lists add sequence numbers, sometimes with mailing
> list names, into the beggining of a subject field or into a private
> header such as "X-Seqno".  For instance,
> 	e.g. 1) Subject: (IPng 4340) ICMP Echo
> 	     2) X-Seqno: 2330


What is the sequence number for?

~Josh


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Date: 20 Aug 1997 00:36:26 -0400
From: Noritoshi Demizu <(suppressed)@csl.sony.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Modifications to list-header draft

> What is the sequence number for?

Benefits of adding a mailing list name and a sequence number to
the beginning of a subject field or other dedigated field are:
  - Sequence numbers help to sort mail of a mailing list.
    (date field sometimes has wrong time stamp or unknown timezone.)
  - Sequence numbers help to find unreceived mail of a mailing list.
  - Mailing list names help to recognize mailing list name of each mail.
  - Mailing list names help to find mails of a mailing list from
    the list of received mail.
  - etc.

Many mailing list administrator in Japan add mailing list names and
sequence numbers at the beggining of subject field as following:
    Subject: [infotalk,10596] CFP: Japan WWW Conference '97 in Yokohama
or to the dedicated header as following:
    X-Sequence: sendmail-r8-jp 326

I have seen only one mailing list that add a mailing list name and a
sequence number at the beginning of subject field other than in Japan.
Maybe, adding a mailing list name and a sequence number to headers is
Japanese custom.  However, I think having a standard way to do that is
useful at least for many Japanese.  Maybe, those who want such field
should write a document.

Regards,
Noritoshi Demizu


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